Did a terrible thing to someone who was terrible to me(trig)

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Did a terrible thing to someone who was terrible to me(trig)

Postby EmmaliciouS » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:50 pm

I wanna be brief for lotsa reasons, but here we are:

Without leaving too much out there, i always been sorta 'green' bit niave and overtrusting. In january 2009 i started a friendship with someone, who became my partner, then my worst nightmare, then my friend, then my partner, then my worst nightmare and then my friend and then again my worst nightmare.. so you get the gist of our relationship.

She abused me, haven't entirely come to terms with it, although is was almost 14 months ago. It has had periods since then where it's flared up once or twice but severe abuse ended then.
Basically, i was manipulated cos am lil niave. But this was a year ago so i'm not going into that, basically after that i wanted stay by her cos i was superly lost on my own and thought i loved her at the time.
We ended all contact in October, had a brief chat in January and another in February. Then nothing until a brief one in start of April.

But i always since about October resented her and hated her, got to a point where i stopped loving her blindly and began hating her for some of the negative things. Now, this has always been underlying in my life for the past 16 months. Somedays flares up.
I initiated contact again because i received word she was leaving forever, wouldn't bump into her or ever have contact. I was sad but also immensely relieved.
But i couldn't let her go without a word. So i made contact. Initially a goodbye see ya message. She replied. I said more stuff, that was it.
4 weeks later she turns up. Ignores me, i lost the plot at seeing her again because thought we'd exhausted it enough.
So i snapped.

When i snapped i sent her a message of sheer violence and hatred for all the nasty evil things she had done, can't justify what i said but she made me get to a point within myself where her words alone had me in hospital, literally urinated on my life with what she did and i can't get shot of this anger. So i lost it on her and said alot of things, i wanted her to for just 1 second feel what i felt because she deserved it.
So i said something along the lines of "your an accessory to murder and you'll always be responsible for my suicide, live with that" and thats the main one i regret.
As of typing i haven't gotten to that stage, i sent that message about a week ago so i dunno if i will be getting to the stage. I feel like i should in order to validate my claim, but as much as i strongly despise her for the misery she inflicted on dozens of innocent people i also feel such a overwhelming guilt and depression over what i said.

3 things:
1, i accept some elements behind my abuse was my own fault and it's a life lesson to be more hard nosed and less trusting because the way i lived i was always gonna be manipulated by someone somewhere. Is that enough justification for what i said? Or have i just stooped to her level and am rightly feeling destroyed inside because what i said was wrong?

2, is there anyway to deplete the guilt without making contact? I want her out of my life, but i want to make it better because she is a monster but i feel really guilty and i don't know maybe she just i dunno, she deserves it that's the thing, but i still wanna elevate the guilt but how do i do it without contact? Is elevating the guilt because it weighs on my brain the wrong reason to want to help the situation, should i be doing it cos i wanna help her?

3, if i see her, what do i say? She thinks i took my life and if she seems me am gonna be in trouble, what if what i said made her broken? (she deserves that feeling) but i still feel terrible for providing that.

Know i look bad here, like people gonna say i did the horrible stuff but really, what she did was reprehensible to dozens of people and she could very easily be in prison for what it was she has done not just to me. But she isn't.
Anyway point is as nasty as i might look here it isn't a scrape on her and i were only nasty cos she was first and deserved it.

Knows selfish me look for solace after i was mean, but spirits crushed lately, self-inflicted crushing of my spirit but all i wanna do is say sorry but i don't know if i should, if she deserves to hear it, if i could bring myself to say it or even if its the word i should use and how to approach it.

What would you do? What should i do? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? If i got to get my revenge against the person who hurt me shouldn't i feel happy? Then why am i so down? It makes no logical sense, she deserved it, but i so sad :(

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Postby TackingIntoTheWind » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:24 am

I'm very much aware that me offering relationship/life advice is somewhat like Norway offering advice on survival in desert conditions! :?
But, here are a few thoughts for whatever they might be worth........

First and foremost, in the wise words of Buffy Summers: " First rule of ( Vampire ) slaying, don't die. "

The important thing is that you DON'T DIE :!:
Telling someone that you are going to commit suicide, DOES NOT mean that you should do it!!!!

If you're looking for redemption, NOT DYING is very much a prerequisite for redemption!!!!

( Not that I'm one to nag.......! :oops: :roll: )

As for your questions, here are a few thoughts in my Official Capacity as a ( Not Particularly ) Wise man..... :oops: :?

1. However, badly she may have treated you, it doesn't necessarily justify what you said to her. Beware of hating anyone. Even if the other person deserves such hatred, the hatred is inside YOU, and it can be as corrosive to you as it might be to them.
However, if somebody has hurt you, it is a natural, comprehensible, impulse to want to hurt them back. ( But, however, natural, and comprehensible an impulse it may be, that does not mean that it is morally right, or even wise. Perhaps this realisation might be causing part of your guilt? ) In any event, don't give up on yourself. I suspect that you're a long way from irredeemable! If you feel that you've fallen short of your own moral standards, if you're feeling guilty, doesn't that imply that you're basically a good person?
Perhaps you may have " stooped to her level " as you say, but if you made that mistake, isn't it better to learn from that mistake, and try to be the " better person " that you clearly want to be. ( And, I suspect basically already are. ) Isn't it better to make amends than to simply write yourself off as a " bad person " ?

Which brings me to,

2. My " gut instinct " is that you avoid this person permanently.
I am very much aware of how bleak and harsh that sounds. And, of how little I know of you, of her, of this whole situation. So, I hope you'll forgive me for saying this, but it's my first instinct, to say that.
You say that she is " a monster ", that you " want her out of your life ". That hardly seems a good basis for seeing, contacting, or having anything to do with again does it?
Also, could you ever help her? ( I realise how harsh this post is sounding, I can only trust that people on this site at least have some inkling that I'm not a harsh man. )
One of the things that I've found hardest to learn, even at the age of 4*, is that you cannot change some people. You cannot rescue, them, cannot control their behaviour, cannot stop them getting lost in darkness.
If you were to spend the rest of your life, energy and potential trying to " help " this person, could you really bring them back into the light, the light that you and I and so many of us on this site are trying to reach for and stay within? Or, would you simply get lost in whatever pain and darkness of hers that leads you to describe her as a " monster. "

However, there are any number of ways that you can alleviate, and indeed expiate your guilt. Perhaps you can't " help " her, but there are any number of people in this world that you can help :!: If there's anything this world is NOT short of is people who need help!!!!!!!!

So, here's my prescription, for whatever it's worth........ :oops: :?

Have nothing further to do with this person. Let her go her way in peace, neither harming her, nor allowing her to harm you. FAIRLY assess what level of guilt you feel is appropriate for you to accept, as a result of your own actions, to the extent that you feel your actions have been against your moral beliefs. And, to the extent that you feel guilty as a result of your actions, look for a chance to make amends, not necessarily to this person who hurt you, as further contact with her may just make things worse, but helping people that you can help. By doing good you CAN expiate whatever guilt you may feel, you deserve a second chance, make sure that you give yourself one!
Oops, " chucking out " time in the library is fast approaching, got to go!
Take care, I still have a feeling that you'll surprise yourself someday with how much you'll change the world for the better.

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Postby EmmaliciouS » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:47 pm

Thankya Tacking :)

Heh, was wise words, very helpful :)

I think i agree, i tried to help out, she did a very bad thing to a rather huge amount of innocent people but i did help out because knew she needed it, but then i got muddled in my own brain. Helped her but then she hurt me more afterward and just thought bad about myself, needed her help because i had a personal problem in my family and she ranaway and disappeared for months. Felt used. But did help her initially, before i got to the "it's wrong help her after what she did" stage.
Am not gonna make contact, agree with you, it would also probably make it worse because i got a huge amount of resentment for her and it'd be tricky hold my tongue if got in contact.. would only damage everything. Is tricky though, wanna elevate the guilt i'm harbouring but do so without seeing her, but then is a part of me that says she deserved what i said and i shouldn't necessarily feel guilty because of the fact she deserved it. Legitimately, what she did was prison worthy, if i was malicious i could ruin her but i never gonna even though she deserves it, the guilt of it would make me crumble like a flakey pie.
So probably best to retain my guilt and avoid contact, let her feel horrible and me feel horrible. Price to pay for being mean. Still feel she needs feel worse than i do. But am still bit venomous.

"If you're looking for redemption, NOT DYING is very much a prerequisite for redemption!!!"
I like that :)
Nice way to put it :)

Yeah morally what said was wrong, don't think should ever go out to deliberately hurt somebody's feelings, no matter how terrible that person is. But i do still feel like she needs to feel hurt, i want her to feel hurt and sounds bad but i do, isn't fair i wallow in it and have had year long issues with it and she gets a free pass so made sure to go out my way to hurt her feelings. Morally wrong, initially satisfying, but shortly after felt empty, then guilty, now remorseful, but now feel like she deserved it again. Guess am just gonna toy with the emotions until it sits. Am not one to be purposefully mean, but really, this woman is a monster. Wouldn't say a nasty thing to anyone, like, i work with mentally challenged and emotionally charged boys & girls from 11-19 and am often slandered cos i won't let them call home or leave their lessons early or what not, but never get the inclination to be rude. Is just after what she did a rocket to the face wouldn't be enough vindication, she deserves something horrid, just some reason feel very guilty about being the one that was being horrid.

:?

Some people you can't change, some you can though. Like she single handedly changed dozens of people for the worse, but i couldn't change her. Didn't give up, i don't give up on people am a very very committed (ex partners would say 'clingy') but am very dedicated and committed to someone once i get close, tried my absolute bestest with her even though she did what she did. Sacrificed all of those people she hurt who wanted me to not be with her because they said she was dangerous and i was at risk, but i negated the advice and tried to help her. Blocked all of them from my life because they disagreed, but in hind sight 14 months on i can see they were right.
Thing is, she didn't change, they changed for the worse and i am stuck between how i was then and am now and don't feel happy with either, like is unfair to smile when they're sad but it's unfair to be sad because i upset her and that should surely mean i should be happy for hurting this monster, it's difficult.

But your right, is people i can help, i still need it myself (hence why vast majority of my posts on this website are from starting threads aimed at helping me, selfish i know, when am fixed i will be here helping others achieve it) but can help others. Not wanting to quit on her though, but at the end of the day if i saw her at this precise moment of time i'd probably smack her then hug her and say sorry then smack her again.. at that frame of mind is best to stay away. Probably permanently, i felt that toss & turn of emotion for her for a year, probably is a sign it won't be changing no time soon.

Thankya for help and explanations, i will stay clear and not get involved in her life.
Won't remove the guilt, but is comfort knowing she's upset (sounds horrible to say that) maybe 1 day it will change. Hopefully by then it wouldn't mean anything because am over it :)

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Postby muggybear » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:28 am

i had a similar story with a friend who was my best friend for several years and we had one of those friendships and once i flared up like that
the reason u feel so bad and regret saying what you said is because you are the better person you feel remorse and are capable of real emotion and that's why you feel bad you shouldn't she hurt you and you were angry and you needed to get it out so know you said it own it and feel empowered for standing up for your self and if you ever bump into her and she says something just say i realized that you weren't worth ending my life over your not worth the dirt on my shoe so why would i kill myself over something so small and insignificant.
hope this helps
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Postby Warmsoul/Jeanie13 » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:41 am

((((((((((((( EmmaliciouS ))))))))))))))))))))

You have received some very wish words from others. Thank you ((((((((( TackingIntoTheWind and muggybear )))))))))))). Believe you allowed yourself to be 'out of character' and that is painful to ones self.

Forgive yourself and do what you can to continue. When you care for another and they create a pain that is great it isn't easy to see to think clearly..

Hope to see more post from you, know people do care in here.

Warmie

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Postby EmmaliciouS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:56 am

Thankya :)

Been awhile since made the topic, and am sorta at the stage you described (((muggybear)))
Still try to establish contact here and there but never works so am at that stage :)
They aren't worth the trouble, aren't worth the time, and most surely not worth dying over. Am very glad didn't do something that silly, sure, get days where i wanna, but be lying if i said i would think it's the right thing to do. Not continuing living to spite her in anyway, but mainly to show that am stronger than she gave me credit for & that am better for the lessons ^^

So, suppose it had a good ending :)

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Postby Warmsoul/Jeanie13 » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:01 am

((((((((((((( EmmaliciouS )))))))))))))))
So, suppose it had a good ending :)


A lesson learned, and look at you, stronger than ever. WTG!!!

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