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Postby Pilule » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:11 am

What meds are you on?

Does it help?

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Postby Frame » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:07 pm

I'm not on any but I've been on many. The two that have had the best results are Prozac and St. Johns Wart. Once the right levels are reached, my experience is that they have similar results. The one other drug that I might put in the same bag is marijuana, but it's been many years I since I've used that and never in a standardized manner.

The active ingredients in cannabis are naturally produced in the body. So that means, while prozac and St. Johns Wart work to block re-uptake in nerve synapses, cannabis serves to increase synaptic function. What that means to me is that they may actually function cooperatively.

But I'm not a doctor, though I have one in the family. And of course the question, Why aren't I taking anything now? will have to wait for another time.

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Postby Pilule » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:22 pm

I tried Prozac and St-John's worth, they didn't do anything for me, although the first year I was on Prozac, things were pretty good, but I got a new assignment, at work, which I liked and I got involved in a boat building project with some friends which I found really interesting and exiting. But after a year everything went crashing down and I was back to square one.

My shrink, sort of suggested, hinted that maybe I should try pot, but I don't want to get into that, last time I tried that, I was 19 and I fell asleep.

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Postby Frame » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:40 pm

The basic problem I have with all anti-anxiety drugs is that they remove anxiety.

Of course that means relief. Perhaps for a disciplined mind things are great (I shouldn't make assumptions.) but for an undisciplined mind like mine it means a lack of the motivating anxiety that keeps pushing me forward. I think it's a tight rope; too much anxiety and I fear moving forward, to little and I don't feel the need.

So enter weed. With Prozac or St. Johns Wart relief arrives and leaves slowly. This gives constancy but gives me trouble with motivation. I haven't smoked pot in almost 30 years and never as a regiment. But I do wonder if it would allow a more finely timely control over depression and anxiety.

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Postby Pilule » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:41 pm

I understand depression very well, I've been practicing for over 35 years but I can't understand anxiety. To me anxiety is like "I'm anxious to meet my friends" meaning I'm looking forward to it.

My shrink tells me I have a bit of anxiety, but I can't wrap my head around it.

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Postby Bassman » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:18 pm

I was on Lexapro for a few years but recently weaned myself off it. The Doc told me that I shouldn't expect a lift in how I was feeling immediately, but that's what happened, at first. Eventually I went from 10mg to 20mg because it wasn't effective. It is meant to even things out - stop the highs and the lows. It does that, but to me it gradually turned me into a zombie. My wife complained that I never did anything, had no drive - which is true. I lost interest in sex, put on weight. Eventually I got sick of it and started reducing my dose until I just stopped a few weeks ago. The depression is coming back, but I actually feel alive most of the time. Some of the side-effects are pretty bad though.

I think weed would be good for some people. Although I don't smoke it much, it does give me a lift that doesn't turn into a crushing low once it wears off. I just wish it was legal, or at least decriminalised here. So many people see it as evil when it's not.

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Postby Pilule » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:57 pm

I tried Lexapro too. I was on Celexa for a long time (Citalopram) but when I told my shrink it didn't seem to help much he put me on Lexapre (Esxitalopram) which is supposed to be a boosted version of Celexa. I didn't see any difference.

I'm always surprised to see people with all these side effects. I tried about 20 different anti-depressant and I never had any noticeable side effects with any of them except one which was preventing me from sleeping.

Right now, I'm on Parnate at the maximum dose, with Lithium, Lamictal and Rivotril, and with this medication, you have to follow a very strick diet, no cheese, no cold cuts, no beer, no red wine, no raisin, no brocolli and a whole lot more, otherwise your blood pressure can shoot through the roof and you may even die. I don't follow any of these restriction and my pressure barely goes up one or two points.

I don't have have any side effects but I don't have any of the intended effects.

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Postby Frame » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:01 pm

For me, anxiety is my body getting ready for action. When I wake up with anxiety but without depression I jump out of bed and get to work. When the day ends and I'm anxious, I can't relax and get to sleep. When I'm trying to sit and concentrate, anxiety distracts me with all kinds of intrusive worries.

When I'm depressed and I need to concentrate, I often can't think much or hold on to thoughts. When I'm depressed and anxious, I can't hold on to the focal thought and all kinds of negative thoughts crowd in.

When I wake up anxious and depressed, well that's where I've been lately; I want to lie there and die but my body tells me to get out there and take my punishment. So I get up and go through most of the day in foul mood, angry that I'm depressed, angry my life sucks, angry the world won't leave me alone, angry I'm so alone, pissed that there is so much noise in the world, irritated by the silence. I work, but I'm mentally at a great diss-advantage.

But I do work my way through the day and most days I give myself enough credit for that, to get to sleep. If I was just depressed I wouldn't give a rats ass. If I was on anti-depressants I wouldn't give a rats ass, I wouldn't feel bad about it, and would get very little out of the day. And, happy or sad, aren't we supposed to be living life each day?

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Postby Guy Kittredge » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:39 pm

I started a self prescription of smoking copious amounts of pot for depression and A.D.D.when I was 15,it helped a lot for me. But as a 50 year old man my advice is to find a different answer. I've accomplished nothing, I won't blame marihuana entirely,I have other mental hiccups which have plagued me my hole life. Sorry for bein a windbag

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Postby Frame » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:40 am

Well Guy; I quit smoking weed almost 30 years ago. I've been working (hard) since I was 14, have three college degrees, and been depressed (I think I've learned) probably all my life. And what I've accomplished seems to be crumbling like the world trade center (except without the fire, explosions, and people dieing; but with almost as much dust).

If I had been smoking weed all this time then at least I could blame the weed. As it is, I only have myself to blame.


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